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Old 06-22-10, 10:15 PM   #1
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Come on folks, i wanna hear how it went this year. Who was there??

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And did the festival REALLY ask performers to donate a hat to the festival...and then they chose which hat it was?
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Exclamation How SPWC jumped the shark

I didnít want to be the first to go public, but Al is egging me on.
He's already read this as he asked me about it all one on one and this is a cut and paste of the email I sent to him.
I guess this should be aired publicly because only if we all know about it, canít we help the organizers make the event we it can be. In fact what itís ridiculous brand name implies it should be.

How SPWC jumped the shark.

It really wasn't one big thing that made just about everyone in the 2010 camp unhappy; it was a series of little things. Unfortunately it was just kind of a perfect shit storm.
Here are some of the things that added up. And please ask other Performers that were there, because the anger and disappointment were almost universal. (There were some exceptions, but those were mostly folks that haven't done many festivals so they admittedly had no comparison)

1) Well to start with, the boys went too big this year. They had 22 acts and added pitches in both cities, with most of the new ones in Dublin being outside the park. It thinned everything out.
There were still some monster crowds but others were small and slow to build on top of that. Some were so small people had to bail shows.
The street pitches were almost on top if each other so sound bleed was an issue.
Hats were also affected by the economy which is no fault of theirs.

2) Most people only had two shows in the Dublin park, however Quick Change had five in the park. That gets us to the prize/winner.
Quick Change were presented as the big deal of the festival but since their show is only about 10 minutes long and they needed an emcee and someone to fill the rest of the hour, Jack Wise shared their time slots.
So he would do some stuff to help draw their crowd (which was always big due to a PR push) and then they would do their thing. After which he would do his show for the massive crowd that had gathered to see the "big deal".
So he had an opening act and the best schedule of anyone.
Word also spread even before the end that AIB, the sponsor was hoping for an Irish "champion".
So some people felt the fix was in from the start, but I think thatís a little too conspiracy theory.
Sam came in second and Les Vitiamins third.
Let me be clear and say that no one is upset with Jack for any of this, it's just the overall way that it seems to have come together and even more that it was the perfect capper to the festival.

3) The bad mood in the camp started with the bus ride to cork from Dublin.
We all walked with all of our kit to a bus stop. The first bus came and was too full for us. Three more came and went with us all waiting on the street for all most an hour.
Finally it was decided that we would take a bus to the airport where we could then catch the Cork bus as its first passengers.
So we take a half hour ride to the airport. Once there we have to take a 10 minute walk with all of our crap to a different bus stop.
Then we wait 20 minutes for the cork bus.
Cork bus driver knows nothing about our supposed free ride. Phone calls are made and we are allowed on the bus.
We all sit mostly towards the back and try to spread out for what is announced as a 4 hour ride, we'd been told three. Oh well.
A half hour later we arrive back in Dublin to the same bus stop where we started.
Passengers start to come on the bus and we all have to move because the bus is going to be full, so much for stretching out and being comfortable.
I should also mention that the bathroom on the bus was out of service.
We get to cork about 9 and are told we are all going to dinner. Great.
Dinner is at an Indian place. Everyone thinks the Fest will buy but they don't.

4) Next day we have a meeting with Connor and Mark, they tell us how the festival has had funding cut so they will be taking one hat from each performer, so we each had 10 shows with one extra. (For the record this was mentioned in the contract but in such a way that we all thought it meant a group show)
This led Sharron to get us all to have a gathering in someoneís room to discuss a revolt, while everyone was upset, in the end we realized it was just the way it was going to be. But the next morning we did meet with the boys to find out exactly how they had picked the shows.
The show that they took was supposed to have been randomly picked but it ended up being the biggest shows at the biggest pitches.
For some it was in Cork for others it was Dublin. For instance, Sam and the USA Breakdancers had to give away middle of the afternoon shows in Dublin on the big pitch in the park. No one thought it seemed random.
The hat Sam had to fork over was one of only two shows that he had inside the park. (Sam was the only one to insist on counting the hat before he handed it over, 7something)

5) another event that made everyone shake their heads was on Saturday afternoon in Cork when Pedro asked if there was more water for the green room. The liaison said it was too late in the day to open another flat of water ("cause that shit will spoil in this Irish sun" I interjected to the conversation) and that he should go buy one from a vendor.
He said "but then I'm having to pay for it."
"Use your food coupons"
"But they are for food"
"Well" she replies "haven't you already eaten today?"
Pedro gives up and walks away and the liaison says to me "I just can't be bothered for Pedro"
In a discussion the next day I related this story to Mark and he defended the liaison, saying that Pedro had been rude to her earlier.
Sorry but I don't think you can justify not having water in the green room because Pedro was rude to someone.
As a side note a request for a mirror in the green room was also ignored until mid day Sunday and even then accompanied by a healthy bit of attitude.

6) Next up was Saturdayís dinner.
We were staying in uni accommodations and using the public Internet lounge as our common room. It wasn't a very big space and there were all of the performers and all of the volunteers hanging around waiting to be feed.
Dinner arrives; four big boxes full of little tins of Japanese carryout.
The boxes are set on a table in the room and the volunteers descend on them like people on a desert island. It's mad. I understand they'd done this dinner before so maybe the vols knew that they had to fight to be sure to get something.
By the time I got close to the food it was damn near gone and what was left and been opened and picked over.
Being really fuckin hungry I spun and headed out the door in an instantly foul mood.
Connor made the unfortunate mistake of making eye contact with me, which prompted me to say in a mighty angry way "this is the worst fucking food I've had at a festival ever!" Goofy and dramatic but true.
I went off on my own to Tesco and grabbed stuff to cook in my apt. As I was cooking, yet another cabal of other angry folks came by to commiserate and bitch about the opening day in Cork.
I may have thrown the tantrum, but I wasn't the only one angry.

7) on to Cork Sunday dinner.
Dinner was at club at we got to pick from a set menu. It's was very nice.
But here's the down side of it: we were told that in years past the Performers had all just kind of hung out to gather and ignored the vols. (Shocking I know) And that many of the vols were Mark and Connerís friends and family and that they wanted us to interact with them. Fine.
But in a letter in our welcome packets it was spelled out that we needed to buy drinks for the volunteers. Further at the meeting with Mark and Conner we told that if we didn't buy them "trays of shots" we would never be asked back.
So we did, and I'll tell you a shout for 50 shots ain't cheep in a club.
As the clubs is closing they arrange to buy cases and cases of beer from the club. These are taken back to the common room to be drunk at a euro each donation on the honor system, fair enough.
The downside is that this is the only time this happens, once back in Dublin we are left to drink 5 euro pints in the hotel bar. With none of us ever having a single beer or drink purchased for us at any festival meals or gatherings.
(For full disclosure: Mark did buy me one beer the first night in Dublin when I did a show at the volunteer meeting)

8) Now hereís something positive, on the Tuesday back in Cork the festival sprang for us all to take a private coach tour out into the country.
It was absolutely lovely.
We went a famous Dublin jump off the rocks swimming place where we got experience Victor naked, and out to see some beautiful lakes. We were taken to a small towns hurling pitch, given a crash course in the game and then played two five minute sides. It's was great fun
we went to a pub and had lunch and then headed off to a sixth century monastery by an amazing lake.
It was a grand day only thing is that some people skipped it because they were already so angry and disgruntled.

9) Next came the Thursday and Friday shows. Now we all knew these were bonus shows and didn't expect them to be huge.
They were very very small which led some people to bail.

10) Finally we reach the mythical Dublin weekend from which legends would be born.
The weekend that Mark and Conner promised every time something had gone wrong.
"Donít worry, next weekend you'll be in Dublin making shit loads of money and none of this will matter."
Well it was all hype. There were some big crowds, but as I said before: 22 acts on 12 pitches just watered down the Kool-Aid too much.

11) The after party.
Again this evening started of nice enough. We had dinner at a little Thai place.
This was followed by a "lock in" party at a club.
We go to the club, it's a dive. One tiny bar with four stools.
But then we learn we have to move to the basement because it's an afterhourís thing. (This leads someone to say as we are herded down the stairs "don't worry it's only a shower")
The basement was small dark and smelled like teenagers.
They weren't selling drinks yet so we made our own fun by grabbing a roll of toilet paper from a store closet and unrolling it around the room. It had a tiny bar same as upstairs but we soon learned that it had a huge sound system.
So there we are in a tiny low basement that is painted all black with techno blasting.
Performers instantly started heading for the door
soon we were back at the hotel bar and each time another performer arrived they got a round of applause as they walked in.
Everyone was back at the hotel in under an hour.

11) Some overall things:
It's was always made very clear that we should walk to the pitches (10 minutes in Cork and 15 in Dublin). The use of cabs we very discouraged, even on the drizzly Sunday evening in Cork.

We never saw Mark or Connor socially once we left Cork until the last nights after Party.

There was no mention of flight reimbursement, people had to ask.
This just struck me as weird, seems the kind of thing that would be announced officially. At least "please make sure you give invoices to such and such"
(There are two good stories about this but I leave them to the people involved)

There plenty more little things but I'll leave go.

So show wise, I had some big shows. For my time slots and the pitches I was on, I would say it was fine enough.

Overall it was just an okay festival nothing special.
As the chinks in the armor began to show on the first weekend, someone said "one year it will rain both weekends and it will be clear that this festival doesnít take care of the performers."
Well I think the combo of the economy and too many shows/pitches allowed that same thing to happen.
The hospitality was shit as was their attitude and ability to deal with Performers.
And when you take away the magic carrot of Dublin that they held over our heads, you're left with a festival that is very lacking in creature comforts or respect of the performers.

Now I want to be clear that I don't think that Mark and Conner are bad guys that are out to screw performers. They are just two guys that lucked out with this festival taking off so fast, and now they have a lot to learn about the basics to catch up to their festival.

Bottom line:
It just another okay busking festival that I'd recommend insisting on a retainer to anyone that asked me about the gig, because you could well end up spending two weeks in a very expensive city waiting waiting to do just okay.

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Old 06-23-10, 08:41 AM   #4
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Bunny Was Kim Kelly running this festival???

All of the things you are describing have been pulled by the Halifax organization over and over again. As I was reading your post, I kept re-living my experiences in Halifax, Singapore, London, Toronto...

Sorry to de-rail, but it all sounded so familiar.

Thanks for your honest observations.
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The encouragement to buy the volunteers shots was ridiculous. The fact that it was encouraged in the form of blackmail, ie, "If you want to come back, buy drinks for the volunteers as they tell us who does this".
Several of the performers bought shots for the volunteers...some spending around 80 euro, a conversation was overheard along the lines of...

"One of the performers bought us shots"
"Cool, which one"
"I dunno, one of them."

Now having spent Sam's hard earned money on these drunken teenagers, I found it a little offensive that many of them couldn't even remember the performers names. Now obviously this doesn't extend to all the volunteers, there were some who were just lovely and made Sam's job way easier."

I utterly concur with Geoff, I saw so many of my friends made miserable time and again over the two weeks, and that is not cool. Especially as the festival organisers did not seem to be bothered by the fact.
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Old 06-23-10, 09:35 AM   #6
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It's a real shame. Why does this happen to Busker festivals.

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Wow. Thanks Geoff. Sorry you all had to be there the year it went wrong.

I did it the first year, and then again last year (I think as the first performer to get invited back without winning first). My observation is that I feel Mark and Conor took away the wrong message from Year 1, and then extrapolated that error to the point of (apparent) tragedy in 2010.

The first year, everyone got paid (although it wasn't exactly smooth - but whatever, "first year festival" right?) and nobody knew what to expect. We were all put up in nice hotels (there were a number of hotel sponsors, so everyone was staying somewhere different). And the crowds were amazing. Responsive, lovely, behaved, and most of all well-paying. It was like they were already educated as to what happens at a street festival. WHICH, was the most remarkable thing about the whole experience.

So we mentioned it.

Everyone, to a person, said something about how great the hats were. Not just for a first year festival, but good hats period. (I personally broke my record, then almost tripled the new record the following day) At the end of the weekend, we all chipped in a hundred euros at the farewell dingdong because we knew that Mark and Conor were running the festival on fumes and goodwill.

So the idea they took away from the first year was not that we like to get a retainer and we like to stay in nice sleeping quarters and we like to be fed and shown a good time; it was that the only thing that makes us truly happy is when we're making lots of money.

Flash forward to last year.

First of all, they wouldn't move on not paying a fee. Then I get off a plane, and having provided my flight details to the guys, I expected a pickup. There was none. So I called the office, and the response was, "Take a cab. You'll be making lots of money." Which was pretty much the theme the whole time. With zero organization, we all got from Cork to Dublin. Some in cabs, some on the train, some on a bus... everyone paying their own way. "What does it matter, you'll be making all kinds of money."

Then, they have a f!n bank as a sponsor, but we had a huge problem colouring up to bills on the day we all left (and I got a massive lecture from the chump behind the counter). At similar festivals elsewhere in the world, the banks will open a branch on an off-day, just to serve the performers (!) That would be basically free for the bank sponsor, but I'm sure nobody's even asked them to do it.

No fee, no hospitality, no transportation. All because Mark and Conor know that some people have made money at their festival.

Mark and Conor are really nice guys, but they're not performers. So they don't know what it's like, or why we do it, and they take the wrong things away from the festivals they see. They came to Edmonton, and they didn't see the hospitality for the important thing that it is. They went to Christchurch, and while we managed to talk them out of it being a "competition" for actual prize money, they couldn't be talked off the "world championship" thing.

Taking a hat is criminal. Period. I know that organizing street performers is like herding cats, and I wasn't there, but I'm surprised that the "revolt" idea didn't take hold. Do a group show and pass the hat for the fest, fine; but to take one hat from everyone? Wow.

My two cents.

I'm sorry everyone had a poor fest this year.

In closing, a haiku for producers:
Retainer, Transport
Hospitality, Crowds, Hats
In that order please.
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Old 06-23-10, 10:12 AM   #8
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The Pedro Rude Incident was: I spoke in Portuguese to my girlfriend in front of the liaison girl and she didn't liked the tone.
My tone is always ďRudeĒ even when I say nice things in English.

The lesson here: If you want water always speak in English!
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A bit of history, taking a hat or a percentage of group hats started with Jodi round 10 years ago. She's discontinued that. There's just something jarring about having people come from all over the world to work for you and then taking their earnings. Very 'pimp'. if they wore ostrich feathered hats and snake skin boots I'd be cool with it but they don't so I'm not.

What festivals need is guidance. The festival thing has been going long enough now to show what works and what doesn't and when people try and reinvent the wheel at each festival, well it's a little tiresome but we as performers need to step up and provide constructive blueprints of the festivals that make us proud.

There are enough of our number with that deconstructive gland that breaks down the elements of organisation that surround us to get together, with the directors of some of the more experienced festivals *cough-edmonton *cough christchurch who can from their perspective return the favor and tell us what their unnecessary headaches are concerning ways we could make things easier and perhaps we could produce a helpful guide.

Just a thought.

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Everything I have heard about the 2011 festival has been positive. And that's good to hear.
I am sure there are some if us from 2010 that will never be asked back, but if our honesty help Mark and Connor get things back on track, then I am happy to have fallen on my sword.
Congrats to Mark and Connor on a good year and best wishes for the future.

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As an organizer of a much smaller American Busker festival and a performer I identify with all the responses on this thread. It is very hard for me to not feel sympathetic to both producer and performer.

As a producer, let me say that a free to attend festival is a rotten business model. If you don't sell tickets you have to be very good at getting sponsors which turns into a year long effort. If sponsors don't show up or give less then you have to rely on merchandise, food and other vendors. IF they don't show up, then you have to ask the performers to cut their fees, cover their expenses and donate shows.

As a performer, I work for one purpose which is my own show. However, I can get out of that frame of mind if I am treated respectfully, listened too and not asked to do things outside of the original agreement. Expectations play a lot into how I perform and if I am clear about what I expect and the producer is too then there are fewer "f-this" moments. It's an old lesson that Doctors have learned - if you stay in touch with your patients and admit your mistakes you are much less likely to get sued.

Thanks one and all for your feedback here. I will take these experiences into account as we plan our event.
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Sorry for my late chime in here.

The SPWC 2011 was fantastic, Ross and Noel said it all really well above. I want to add that all the volunteers, organizers, artist liasons, Shell, Clare, Mark and Conor the entire team were really great, every detail was taken care of, the press was great and the Festival has grown quite a bit since that first year, it is amazing what it has become.

Even with the economy down, the shows were big and I felt the crowds were still generous.

All the acts were great, we all got along really well and it just made a really great vibe to go out and perform in and wanna hang around on our off time.

looking forward to be a part again someday.
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