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Old 04-17-06, 02:40 PM   #41
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see... I'm just not so sure you'd pick up on that with someone like me. My whole innitial frustration with the gag was because I would want to play along and not ruine the party. I do want to be a good sport. And being a bit of a show-off, I might have played along well enough to fake that I'm having fun, just in order to not ruin your show.
And as we go in circles here, I agree again that it's totally a individual thing.
I mean, someone once (jokingly) accused me of having "intimacy issues" because of this very thing -- my dislike of the cheek kiss gag -- yet, at the same time, I find it absolutely hilarious to grab people's butts for shock value (not in shows. just friends and enemies), and am pretty comfortable with it, myself. I don't know what my problem is. ...but see... a nice, conservative girl like me... you would never pick up on something like that . Because it's just weird.
And like you said, some of you might be able to read these things. ... but more than those some would attempt the gag. A lot of people who can't pick up on this stuff think that they can. So it turns into a bit of a gamble, from performer to performer.
But now I'm totally repeating my previous posts.
I sure am using a lot of italics today.

(I think there should be butt-grabbing in a variation of this gag! Let's see how many harassment suits come outta that!!)
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Old 04-17-06, 04:59 PM   #42
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Default what you could do, (since you know the gag)

hold their head by the jaw and back of the head so that if they start to move you can stop them.

point to where they want you to kiss them and ask "there?" in a conformation manner. Then act like you are about to hit that target with a big spit ball.

blow a kiss.

kiss your hand and press it to their cheek (slap)

stick your toung out while you do it.

do what jester's volounteer did, (that's a clever move).



None of these things will ruin the show or make you look like a poor sport if you continue to have fun.
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exactly. That's the only reason I posted on this thread again -- to voice the challenge of becoming a volunteer who might take it in a slightly different direction -- like Jester's experience. Smart 17 year old.
I may have a few surprises up my sleeve... or pant leg. whatever.
I'll keep them to myself for now, in case I run across any of you and happen to find myself become a volunteer. mwahahaha....
Who knows, there may be butt-grabbing involved.
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Old 04-17-06, 06:03 PM   #44
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. . .about why, after all the discussion about not pulling this gag with underage girls, you decided to go for it?
Because 17 is not underage in Europe, I had no intention of kissing her on the lips, it seemed like a good idea at the time, a kiss is not regarded as sexual activity in most civilised communities - it has many comic possibilities, because acknowledging that a 17 year old is beautiful is not quite the same thing as pedophilia, because the idea of a bearded middle age man wanting a kiss from a young lady is hilarious in itself, beause you are far less likely to be sued here than in the Uptight Sanctimonies of America, because I didn't think there was much danger of her becoming corrupted, there was not danger of a shotgun wedding, because I quite rightly judged her mentally competent to deal with the gag, because her parents found it funny too...

Funnily enough there were no police proceedings after that particular show...

Oh, and I think what she did was actually very witty and it worked very well.
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Old 04-17-06, 08:02 PM   #45
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Because 17 is not underage in Europe, I had no intention of kissing her on the lips, it seemed like a good idea at the time--
waitwaitwait. go back. 17 is legal in Europe?!?

I mean--ah, I see.
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Old 04-17-06, 11:19 PM   #46
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In my experience, Americans are FAR more prudish than the English with what you can get a way with onstage, as a variety performer. And Jester is right, 17 is not underage. When I was performing in Wales, I had a father (literally) pushing his 16 year old daughter at me.

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waitwaitwait. go back. 17 is legal in Europe?!?

I mean--ah, I see.
In Finland it's 16 !!!!!!
and here in Croatia it's 14 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, that's not why I'm here.
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And in Ethiopia a lot of girls are married to 40 year old men and pregnant by 13!!!!!!!
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Just because it is legal - it doesn't make it right! The age of consent varies throughout the world, which is why some places attract a lot of sex tourism..
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agreed. that's what I meant to get at. as vague as I was.

...which, however, may damage one of your defenses that your cheek/butt kiss girl was of a legal age in your country.

(Hey, Etienne -- this thread sure did evolve plenty from what you originally posted, eh?)
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Just because it is legal - it doesn't make it right!
Only in the eyes of the law.
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(Hey, Etienne -- this thread sure did evolve plenty from what you originally posted, eh?)
Yeah, no kidding. But to be honest I think this has been a great thread because it has hit on so many levels:

-Even though Scot says you don't contribute, I have appreciated your perspective of an audience member / busker fanatic / prude.

-There has been discussion on audience perceptions, and making your show appropriate to that.

-"Stock" material and coming up with ways to make it your own (like Jester turning the his butt to face the girls lips)

-A stupid clown who was prosecuted for the kiss gag

-14 is legal in Croatia

-etc. etc. etc.

This is what P.net is about (I think).


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Old 04-19-06, 10:37 AM   #53
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I'm adding that to my resume.

"audience member / busker fanatic / prude."


...but remember -- I do grab butts. Quite often. So I'm only prudish about kisses.
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Old 04-21-06, 12:21 PM   #54
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I HATE having my butt grabbed, especially by drunk women out on a hen night.

Back to the kiss cheek gag, I was once Betty in "Cloud 9"and I had to kiss an actress, who one night stuck her toungue in my mouth and decided to go for it. I was almost sick.

If somebody feels the same way about lips as I do about tongue then I am not going to inflict my lips upon any poor unsuspecting person, regardless of their age....
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