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Old 07-17-02, 11:09 AM   #21
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I believe any decent act will do well in Washington Square Park.

Adultness and uniqueness are not qualities that really matter that much. eg- Tic & Tac are not that unique and Hector (the swordsman of WSP) aims his show at attracting 8yr old women.

I could tell it was a joke off the bat. I couldn't imagine Peter Gross ever did well there without a kilo. I'm sure Gazzo was there still trying to prove his putridity and making a few bucks.
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Old 07-18-02, 02:52 PM   #22
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Gazzo,
it is not long Old Timer,so I will be one of the 6!
But remember one man can not carry it!

Oh,I have seen your show!Going through the MOTIONS is a form of retirement,anyway!

You can walk trough your life and shows mate,but not me!

Something for Nick Nickalos to aspire to anyway!

As for Bike Boy,he has been ripping off peoples shit for years!
eg.he even started getting heavily tattooed for a while,work that out!

No threat to me,mate!


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Old 07-19-02, 01:12 AM   #23
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LDR try 8oz not 20,.... and.......

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Old 07-19-02, 10:16 AM   #24
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South Street Seaport is getting more and more corporate every year - they always had schedules for performers, but nobody gave a damn, but now they really start to check everybody, especially at the Pier 17 entrance...The business is down everywhere - you can feel the decline in tourism. Other pitches are - Battery Park, where folks board the ferry to the Statue of Liberty, front steps of Metropolitan Museum, Betheda Fountain in Central Park (good for big shows - it's a huge open space). There are a lot of street fairs, some of them are crashable, some are not. Usually if it's organized by a production Co, like Mardi Gras productions etc - they are no good for buskers, as they try to sell every bit of space, but local church/national community festivals are very busker-friendly and you can always get permission to work, sometimes they ask for a donation to the church or non-profit... Good site to find local festivals in NYC and other touristy places is www.carnaval.com
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Old 07-19-02, 12:36 PM   #25
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[quote]Originally posted by Irina:
<strong>front steps of Metropolitan Museum, Betheda Fountain in Central Park (good for big shows - it's a huge open space). </strong><hr></blockquote>

Either of these places will at best get you run at worst get you arrested (especially in front of the museum). The artists that used to sit out there have been routinely getting arrested and all of their works confiscated and sold at police auction. There's an artist from the Village Voice (don't recall his name) that has been arrested over 100 times in that location. He was on a major rant about Guiliani for years, he used to draw cartoons with Rudy with a Hitler mustache.

There are only three approved areas for street performing in Central Park and you must have a special events permit (this is right from the Parks Department). Good luck in getting the permit. They took my non-refundable $25 processing fee back in March and still haven't approved or rejected my application which was for the second and third weekend in June. I have to contact the Central Park director again [img]mad.gif[/img]

[quote]<strong>There are a lot of street fairs, some of them are crashable, some are not. Usually if it's organized by a production Co, like Mardi Gras productions etc - they are no good for buskers, as they try to sell every bit of space, but local church/national community festivals are very busker-friendly and you can always get permission to work, sometimes they ask for a donation to the church or non-profit... Good site to find local festivals in NYC and other touristy places is www.carnaval.com</strong><hr></blockquote>

The local fairs are sometimes cool, but just about anything going on on 6th Avenue is a waste. They're all run by some company who are the most miserable people I have ever talked to. If you want to pay them $200+ for a space, great, otherwise they tell you to f**k off.

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Old 07-19-02, 09:23 PM   #26
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This interests me.
I don't want to get into discussions re the worth of Performance/service/product combo's.
( I could see how authorities might immediately stomp on people producing painted faces/balloons/work on canvas or pavement; simply because they see tangible business taking place)
Instead I'd like to ask when the last performer got arrested at the met.
I worked there last year and used to get in and out pretty quick.
I had planned on returning.
I could also understand how shouting, manipulating, high impact acts could be too much for the place.
So maybe not the last performer moved on rather the last silent one??
Anybody??
It did seem pretty quiet, i sort of felt i was getting away with something I shouldn't have been doing.
Do you think it would help if i waved a wee american flag?
(Its my newest prop-I love it-Its really funny)
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Old 07-22-02, 09:42 AM   #27
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[quote]Originally posted by martin ewen:
<strong>This interests me.
Instead I'd like to ask when the last performer got arrested at the met.
I worked there last year and used to get in and out pretty quick.
I had planned on returning.
I could also understand how shouting, manipulating, high impact acts could be too much for the place.
So maybe not the last performer moved on rather the last silent one??
Anybody??
It did seem pretty quiet, i sort of felt i was getting away with something I shouldn't have been doing.
Do you think it would help if i waved a wee american flag?
(Its my newest prop-I love it-Its really funny)</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's my understanding from my partner that the Met has pretty much been off-limits to regular circle shows for years. Now he does have a rather loud, flashy act, he's a juggler after all, so that may be the reason.

I doubt the flag waving would help, Martin. New York is still getting over 9/11 and while it's business as usual for the most part, there's still a odd feeling.

The other reason you might have gotten away with it was the parks guys might have thought you were hired by the museum. I'm guessing you were on your stilts, so they probably figured you had to have been hired because who would be crazy enough to do an illegal street show on 9-foot stilts! Little did they know.... [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old 05-12-03, 11:26 PM   #28
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I'd like to open this thread back up, as I'm planning on being in NY real soon, and it seems like things have been changing on a daily basis there. What is it like now? Is there any where that you CAN use fire? My friend says that a lot of college kids mess around with fire in union square, so why not a performer?
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Old 05-13-03, 12:43 AM   #29
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Ummm.... well, Clarke and I got our equipment confiscated by parks enforcement plus clarke was issued with a couple of summonses and fines in November 2002 in the fountain.

Definitely NO FIRE!!!! Definitely NO AMPLIFICATION!!!

Beware new york enforcement officers. You can still do shows, just be aware of police presence.

As far as the college kids spinning fire goes, I think they run if they spot cops.
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Old 05-13-03, 07:06 AM   #30
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Samen in London... Went there little time ago, with the idea of building around an extended fire eating routine, nice and clean, not a single drop of oil on the floor, but absolutely no fire is allowed.
Tried to develop something without fire, but that took more time than I thought it would, to put it mildy. At some point I actually did some fire and got away with it. But maybe I was just lucky...

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Old 05-25-03, 06:16 PM   #31
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Ok. I think this thread definitely needs a panel discussion. It is silly to feel like a criminal because you want to entertain people on the streets of New York. I need to work up my show and am finding it difficult due to the no permit, no amp, no fire issue. No fire is easier to deal with than no amp. But I wanna go somewhere to make money with a street show and I just to get out there to practice it more often than I can now (which is not at all at the moment) so that I can actually have a structured piece to tour with. Arghh!!! Frustration!!! How can I practice when it is illegal?

Do we need to band together to create new pitches or fight the noise ordinance?

Just came back from NOLA where they are trying to make it illegal as well. Why are enforcement officers in the USA not concentrating on actual violent crimes?

I would have put this in another topic but I believe it is vital and more specific to the NYC street scene.
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Old 05-26-03, 04:23 AM   #32
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Fire is banned completely everywhere, just because *some* people can't be responsible, leave a giant mess or just don't know what they are doing in general...
After my show, there will be drops on the floor. Some. I have seen people making a bigger mess while soaking a single torch, than I make during my full 30 minuit fire-only show.

And ofcourse, the hysteria around "safety" doesn't help much either. Appearently, we need to live in a safe, harmless world. Every potential danger has to be removed. Because people are afraid, to every insurers' delight. But moreover, because people are becoming more and more incapable of carrying any responsibility for themselves. You trip over? Normal response would be the conclusion that you should look better next time. But nowadays people rather sue someone else for their own mistakes...

Who is making the rules and why?!? In Covent Garden, the rule is no voice amplification, but music is allowed. In Amsterdam at the Leidseplein the rules are opposite: absolutely no music, but use your microphone as much as you like. Anyone here, who can come up with some general applicable logic?

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Old 05-26-03, 12:55 PM   #33
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I think it naive of us to expect things like fire manipulation, and especially, fire breathing to be accepted outside of the most controlled environments. Claiming that the imposed restrictions are due to law suit happy trends is only part of the picture. In reality, there is danger, and one that is in many respects, unnecessary. Because of the venue, namely on the street, there is little real control over the behavior of the audience. As the performer, their safety must be paramount in our minds - but much of the time it isn't. More often than not, we are willing to risk physical injury to someone in the audience for the sake of a bit or a laugh. It can be very entertaining, but is it any surprise that others are not willing to take those risks as well? I understand and accept that this aspect is one of the elements that makes street performing so appealing, but have to acknowledge that it probably won't fly with anyone who is taking on the responsibility for the audience, whether that be police, or producer.

The role of performer is inherently one that carries responsibility. You have a responsibility to your audience's mental, emotional as well as physical well being. They are your best friend and should be treated with the appropriate respect that they deserve.

No matter what you do, or how careful you are, doing fire is dangerous. The fuel is toxic, highly flammable and always being used around an open flame. It doesn't take a OSHA license to figure that one out. Moreover, it's dirty, smells and makes smoke. Considering the number of cities that are adopting ordinances against cigarette smoke in public, it should come as no surprise that they might not also have a problem with open gasoline flames.

The accident a few months back at the Great White concert should be a sobering experience for all of us that do fire manipulation. There have been other tragedies because of pyrotechnic acts, but that one in particular hit home due to the heavy publicity. It is all to easy to say that they were negligent and that "I am different - I am careful and safe." If you truly believe that you are infallible, then I believe that you are lying. There is risk, and the risk is real, and that's why it is such a powerful theatrical element. But we can't possibly have any grounds to think that others will be willing to share that risk with us as we ply our trade for a few bills and coins in the bottom of a hat.

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Old 05-26-03, 03:33 PM   #34
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Woah there hoss...

I was merely bringing up the issue of the lack of pitches in one of the largest most populated and most touristed cities in the world. Fire is an entirely different issue. I am personally trying to phase out the fire aspect in my show exactly because of all the various restrictions around the world. Hell though, everything is dangerous is it not?

No fire should be another thread. I am discussing new york's inability to welcome street performers into their city. Yes it is illegal to perform anywhere (south seaport excepted) unless you have a permit from the parks authorities which you must reapply for every month with a nonrefundable $25 fee, and half of applications get "lost" in the system somewhere anyway.

No amplification anywhere... well hey, in the "city that never sleeps" we are finding that the financially well endowed prefer sleep to all might raves, but there appears to be no increase in fines for the car alarms that go off incessantly through all hours of the night or the honking taxis that keep me awake. It just seems that "they" are enforcing the wrong things here. real, violent crimes are still occuring and enforcemnt are spending their time confiscating a street performer's amplifier, or a venue for allowing people to smoke inside or dance without a cabaret licence.

Sure, street performers should be regulated and why shouldn't the city get a slice of the performer's pie? Hell everyone else seems to need a permit for their business... but there should be realistic ways of regulating it rather than making it a criminal offence to be an entertainer.

I am just venting my frustration at feeling boxed in in this town.AS for washington square park, enforcement are total assholes in that park. It is not a realistic pitch... especially for new females trying to fight their way in for a slot.
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I meant that I was a new performer to the street who happens to be female, not a new female...
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Old 05-26-03, 04:25 PM   #36
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OK, so you don't want to talk about fire...

If you want to get practice so that you can develop a touring show, hook up with a business and perform under their umbrella. Restaurant walk arounds or being hired by a festival/marketplace may suit you. You may not be passing the hat, and the money may not be all that great, but you will be able to do the work and get it on its feet. I found that theme park, and related work, was especially good for this sort of thing. No glory while you are there, but it beats not doing anything at all.

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Old 05-27-03, 09:17 AM   #37
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Well, I do want to talk about fire, Mr Ragatz. As it is my profession.

But let's take this discussion to a different thread indeed.

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