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Old 11-01-06, 07:32 PM   #21
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HE'S NOT DEAD? Mike your not dead? YOU F**CK!!!
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Another update, names are listed alphabetically by last name scroll down:
http://www2.keysso.net/JailWeb/JailWeb.htm
And check out the bond.
Its really sad. I hope that in the end it wasn't intentional and it all gets straightened out.
Best of luck Mike.
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Old 11-01-06, 09:17 PM   #23
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Should I move this thread to "Has Anyone Seen?" or "Legal, Financial, Insurance Issues"?
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Old 11-01-06, 09:21 PM   #24
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I think it's good where it's at, then Michael can see how serious we all took it after he gets out of jail.

Hoping he gets out soon
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I'm not at all impressed, I was horrified to read the first couple of posts and I'm not sure being angry is any better.
I'm relieved that Mike's alive but others risked their lives unnecessarily and he has put more heat on the contentious image of performers at Key West.
Personally I think the discussion this issue will generate will be out of place here.
This is a place for fond memories, respect for those who inspired us and our heroes, not the analysis of a foolish act.
I'd like to see the entire thread moved to a new category in "The Green Room" called "Acts of Stupidity".
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Ok, just my two cents after all these posts: it sounded like a stunt from the first post, and Beaumanz's posts read like he was in on it from the beginning.

And if the undertow is so strong, how is it that Will and Joseph, when they dived "down to the ocean's floor" (35 feet below), didn't get drawn out, too?

I may be totally wrong, but that's how it seems to me.
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Old 11-02-06, 01:00 AM   #27
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I asked about the hours because I smelled a stunt. That didn't ease my mind at all.
It leaves a nasty taste.
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This is from the Key West News.
"Joke's over for escape artist
While Keys residents and tourists wondered and worried about Michael Patrick's whereabouts after he jumped off Mallory Pier in a straitjacket Halloween night, he was checking into a Key West bed and breakfast with his girlfriend and his dog, police say."


I don't keep posting here just to be a voyeur, to me this kind of "joke" shows a real disrespect for other people and their feelings. I would go one to say that, in my opinion it is this lack of respect and thought about the feelings of others that is one of the key problems with society as a whole today.
It now seems rather clear that this was a "joke" and not any sort of accident.
I hope that he and any others involved are held accountable and made to take full resonsability for thier lack of respect.
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Old 11-02-06, 06:27 AM   #29
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The media makes things out the way they want to... they acted as though it was a suicide, now they are saying it was a big prank. They don't know anything. Michael is in jail. They make hear-say out to be truth. I'm not going to judge him until he gets out of jail and he himself fesses up to whatever is the truth. Yes it now looks to be a bad stunt but hey, yesterday it really looked to be a suicide. I hate the media.
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Default Don't Pass blame to the media

Yesterday morning at 10:52 The Amazing Beaumanz posted:
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Just got off the phone with Will Soto. He's leaning towards a hoax. God I hope so!!!

His car is missing
His dog is missing
His bike is missing


Mike if you're alive, man up!! Alot of people who care about you are really worried.

Alot of other things are making us and the authorities think you pulled off your greatest stunt!!
I am sorry but trying to pass any blame onto the media for spinning this or blowing it out or proportion is lame.
Now I will try to stay out of this, but it actually touches on many things that I have very strong feelings about.
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OK, I moved this here because it looks like the discussion is going this way.

I agree with Jesus. (I've never said THAT before.) If this WAS a premeditated "stunt" (and it sounds like it was since he spent the night in a B&B) it was very selfish. Did he not realize the police and coast guard would get involved... costing taxpayers thousands of dollars and wasting resources? One of the rescue divers or performers/passers-by who jumped in to look for him could have been seriously injured or killed. Not to mention the emotional pain he likely caused his friends and family. The decision to pull this off was irresponsible and stupid.

Houdini would not have approved.

I wonder how many other people were involved... and if any of them tried to talk him out of doing it.
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Old 11-02-06, 10:18 AM   #33
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Michael is dear friend and my fiance and i were devestated by the news. I was in the middle of a show when i got the news and immediately packed my props and almost flew to key west.

i extremely pissed at him as are alot of his friends.
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"f you Stephon"? Seems like kind of a a strong reaction.

Not trying to start a fight, Beaumanz, just saying how it seemed to me. And I was at least half right.

So, to be clear, you're saying you didn't know anything about this before it happened?
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no one knew, just him, his girlfiend and his dog.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15906511.htm
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Based on these quotes:

"Patrick would not reveal his ''magician secrets,'' police said."

"Patrick told police he was planning a press conference to reveal his hoax when they found him too soon and ruined his big ``ta-da.''

I bet that sooner or later we will see the words "ART" "Rights" and "Freedom of Expression" used to justify this ill concived-
" One helluva escape!!"

(Damn-it, I said I was going to be done, but this kind of stuff really pisses me off on a social philosophical level.)
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Ok. My mistake.

Is the article correct? 3 minutes for a straightjacket escape? Is that "performance" minutes, or actual minutes?
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I'd wager a bet that you could legitimately argue for that as freedom of expression. The thing is that the constitution states that "...congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." No one would likely be able to justify 'prior restraint' to stop a stunt like this; however that doesn't mean he won't be help culpable for the repercussions of his actions.

Also - I can't tell if the reporter is being serious about barracudas attacking large shiny things. Anyone want to help this midwesterner suss out some sarcasm?
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Anyone up for a benefit show? Looks like he needs to raise $25,000 to pay restitution.

I do agree with Gav; Street performers need try harder not to piss off the cops.

This is the kind of thing that gives escape artists a bad name.
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I'd wager a bet that you could legitimately argue for that as freedom of expression. The thing is that the constitution states that "...congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech."
Are you kidding?

If this isn't yelling "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater, I don't know what is.

His "freedom of expression" put other peoples' lives in danger. Not cool.
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